x
Toggle Content Register or Login  -  March 28, 2024, 3:50 pm
Toggle Content User Info

Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: LucilleDZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 2016

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 307
Total: 307
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: My Account
02: My Account
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: My Account
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: My Account
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: My Account
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: My Account
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: My Account
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: My Account
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: My Account
49: My Account
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: My Account
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: My Account
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: My Account
69: My Account
70: My Account
71: Community Forums
72: My Account
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: My Account
79: Community Forums
80: My Account
81: My Account
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: My Account
88: Community Forums
89: My Account
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: My Account
96: Community Forums
97: My Account
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: My Account
102: My Account
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: My Account
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Statistics
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: My Account
121: My Account
122: My Account
123: Community Forums
124: My Account
125: My Account
126: Community Forums
127: My Account
128: My Account
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: My Account
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: My Account
142: My Account
143: My Account
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: My Account
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: My Account
150: My Account
151: My Account
152: My Account
153: My Account
154: My Account
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: My Account
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: My Account
167: My Account
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: My Account
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: My Account
174: Community Forums
175: My Account
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: My Account
179: My Account
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: My Account
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: My Account
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: My Account
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: My Account
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: My Account
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: My Account
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: My Account
225: My Account
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: My Account
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: My Account
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: My Account
238: My Account
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: My Account
244: Community Forums
245: My Account
246: My Account
247: Photo Gallery
248: Statistics
249: Statistics
250: My Account
251: My Account
252: My Account
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: My Account
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: My Account
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: My Account
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: My Account
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: My Account
287: My Account
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: My Account
295: My Account
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: My Account
306: Community Forums
307: My Account

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Toggle Content Main Menu
Toggle Content Last Posts
Last 10 Forum Messages

bocca
Last post by tennino in General Discussion Groups on Jan 16, 2021 at 16:56:41

Towns in Frosinone that were part of former Vatican States a
Last post by Italysearcher in Central Italy on Feb 19, 2019 at 09:15:58

Dual Citizenship
Last post by Curci-Ghio in General Discussion Groups on Nov 18, 2018 at 15:30:54

Please Help Translate Letter
Last post by nuccia in Translations on Oct 20, 2018 at 06:18:43

Family in Cittanova
Last post by russojoseph1 in Translations on Oct 14, 2018 at 12:28:20

DNA Testing
Last post by nuccia in General Discussion Groups on Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39:30

Trento -Atto di Nascita - Frazione di Poia, Comune di Comano
Last post by exevans in Northern Italy on Mar 28, 2018 at 00:45:37

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:58:50

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:53:38

State of the Family Record & Other State Records
Last post by debbiemfit in Northern Italy on Jan 02, 2018 at 23:14:28

Toggle Content Help Support this Site
Please support GentediMareGenealogy
Help us by supporting the future development of this site, or simply to say thank you.
Toggle Content EStore
Community Forums › All Things Italian › Translations › Italian or Latin help please

     Forum FAQ   Search   Log in to check your private messages   Login  
Italian or Latin help please
For help with translating documents or writing letters.
Go to page 1, 2  Next

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index Translations Printer Friendly Page

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

I have obtained the processetti of Gabriele Esposito and Rosaria Napolitano. Gabriele later took the name Zingone and it is believed that he was adopted by a Zingone family. This is a big mystery for many families I have been in touch with in several countries so I need some help. I will not ask for an exact translation because I will be posting more documents I need help with. I would like to know what this first document is (it appears to be latin - I think it is a baptism extract) and if there are any clues to the parents of Gabriele and any other pertinent data. Rosaria Napolitano is the daughter of Arcangelo and Chiara Crivaro, whom I descend from. Arcangelo is a big mystery too. I see the frazinones of Vaccarizzo and Santa Maria La Castagna mentioned in these documents. The document is here - Page 1 and here
Please help. Thank you.
Edited to fix links

_________________
Cathy
My Websites


Last edited by Cathy on Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:23 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
DonnaPellegrin
Mem
Mem


Joined: Feb 02, 2009
Posts: 66

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

I could be way off here and I am by no means an expert, but it kind of looks like Gabriele Maria was of unknown parentage. The name Esposito literally means "exposed" and I do know it was often given to abandoned infants.

Donna
Back to top
View user's profile
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Thanks Donna! Yes, he was an orphan. I was looking for adoptive parents or guardians. I should have been more clear.

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Luca
Translator
Translator


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 695
Location: Terni - Italy

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

It's a declaration done on July 22th 1815 by the priest of San Michele Arcangelo Church that he found into the christening's register the notation about the birth of Gabriele Maria Esposito (born by unknown parents on March 16th 1793). The declaration was done for the marriage which had to take place between Gabriele and Rosaria Napolitano.

Ciao
Luca
Back to top
View user's profile
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Thank you so much Luca! kiss I will post the next document tonight!

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
DonnaPellegrin
Mem
Mem


Joined: Feb 02, 2009
Posts: 66

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Cathy, I have a book to recommend for you. Its title is, Sacrificed for Honor: Italian Infant Abandonment and the Politics of Reproductive Control. It was written by David I. Kertzer, a professor at Brown University. I was blown away by the book. There were parts of it that were simply unbelievable. It was a miricle that Gabriele survived. Most babies didn't.

Donna
Back to top
View user's profile
tjbrn
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Jan 24, 2008
Posts: 487
Location: North Carolina

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Here is a nice article about Sacrificed for Honor: Italian Infant Abandonment and the Politics of Reproductive Control
www.thefreelibrary.com...a016351117

_________________
Tom

Scribbling
Back to top
View user's profile
DonnaPellegrin
Mem
Mem


Joined: Feb 02, 2009
Posts: 66

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Thanks for the link, Tom, that was an excellent article on the book. Kertzer definitely has a beef with the Catholic church and he does push his agenda. Still, the book is meticulously researched, creatively written and well worth the read for the insight into the plight of illegitimate and abandoned children and their mothers.

Carry on.

Donna
Back to top
View user's profile
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Thanks for the book suggestions...they look very interesting. I have saved them to my book list. I was mortified when I read about "the wheel". It is amazing that some of these children survived.
This baby was not abandoned though. He was placed in the care of a family with the surname Zingone. This man later took that surname as did his children. We are all a little confused at the moment about this so I am hoping the documents will shed some light on this story.

_________________
Cathy
My Websites


Last edited by Cathy on Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Luca wrote:
It's a declaration done on July 22th 1815 by the priest of San Michele Arcangelo Church that he found into the christening's register the notation about the birth of Gabriele Maria Esposito (born by unknown parents on March 16th 1793). The declaration was done for the marriage which had to take place between Gabriele and Rosaria Napolitano.

Ciao
Luca

Did he have Godparents listed? Was anyone present at the baptism?

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Now I have what I believe to be the baptism of Rosaria Napolitano. What I would like to know from this document is any clues about her parents Arcangelo Napolitano (his age and was he alive at this time) and Chiara Crivaro (her parents names and her age). I would also like to know her Godparents names - I see a male Crivaro name but it is in Latin.
I descend from Arcangelo and Chiara and have less information on them than I do their parents (I don't know who anyone in Chiara's family is). Any help is really appreciated.
Rosaria Napolitano baptism?

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

The last document I need help with is a 3 page document that I think is a family council document that is in Italian so I understand a lot of it. Am I correct?
I do need help with a few things on page 1. Page 1 of the document lists those present in the council.
#1 is Francesco Napolitano brother of Rosaria. It says he lives in Santa Maria La Castagna in the "Rione" of Parantoro. This confuses me. Both Santa Maria La Castagna and Parantoro are sections of Montalto (Uffugo was added after the unification). What does this mean? Was Parantoro part of Santa Maria La Castagna? Or maybe I misunderstood?
# 2 is Antonio Napolitano (I descend from him too). I cannot make out his age (30 - trenta something) or the contrada name...can anyone else make this out?
I understand everything else until I get to the bottom where the page is deteriorating. I need help with what is left of the last 2 lines. I do not understand those words. Thank you so much!
Page 2 and page 3 are a mystery to me - I understand very little on this page. Am I missing anything important?
Thank you so much. I apologize for the length of this and appreciate any help hat can be offered.

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Luca
Translator
Translator


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 695
Location: Terni - Italy

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Cathy wrote:
...Did he have Godparents listed? Was anyone present at the baptism?

Godmother was Caterina Gentile from Vaccarizio (not sure about the actual name of the town).

Luca
Back to top
View user's profile
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Luca wrote:
Cathy wrote:
...Did he have Godparents listed? Was anyone present at the baptism?

Godmother was Caterina Gentile from Vaccarizio (not sure about the actual name of the town).

Luca

That is a great clue Luca - thanks! Vaccarizzo is a hamlet of Montalto. Thanks so much again! You totally rock!!

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Luca
Translator
Translator


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 695
Location: Terni - Italy

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Italian or Latin help please Reply with quote

Cathy wrote:
Rosaria Napolitano baptism?

Not at all. Also this document was released from the priest (indeed he called himself Abbot of the Abbey of San Michele Arcangelo and Rector of the Church "della Visitazione della Beata Maria Vergine" of Vaccarizzo) in the occasion of Gabriele and Rosaria's marriage and it is about the death act of Diana Corno, wife of Raffaele Napolitano, who died on January 28th 1777 at the age of 55. She died in her house assisted by the priest of the time and then she was buried in the Church above-mentioned.
In the document it's said that Rosaria is daughter of Arcangelo, so i don't know who Raffaele was... maybe Arcangelo's father.

Luca
Back to top
View user's profile
  Page 1 of 2All times are GMT - 4 Hours

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index Translations Printer Friendly Page

  
 
Jump to:  



You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Hosted By Site5.com
The logos and trademarks used on this site are the property of Gente di Mare Genealogy.
We are not responsible for comments posted by our users, as they are the opinions of the poster.
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy
TCD_ItalianGene © Gente di Mare Genealogy