x
Toggle Content Register or Login  -  March 29, 2024, 6:06 am
Toggle Content User Info

Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: LucilleDZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 2016

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 193
Total: 193
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: My Account
04: Community Forums
05: My Account
06: Community Forums
07: My Account
08: Community Forums
09: Stories Archive
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: My Account
13: My Account
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: My Account
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: My Account
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: My Account
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: My Account
39: My Account
40: Community Forums
41: My Account
42: Community Forums
43: My Account
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: My Account
53: Community Forums
54: Statistics
55: My Account
56: My Account
57: Statistics
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: My Account
62: Community Forums
63: My Account
64: Community Forums
65: My Account
66: My Account
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: My Account
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: My Account
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: My Account
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: My Account
89: Community Forums
90: My Account
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: My Account
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: My Account
99: Statistics
100: Statistics
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: My Account
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: My Account
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: My Account
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Photo Gallery
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: My Account
122: My Account
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: My Account
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: My Account
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Statistics
134: My Account
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Statistics
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: My Account
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: My Account
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: My Account
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: My Account
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: My Account
163: Statistics
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: My Account
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: My Account
173: My Account
174: My Account
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: My Account
180: Community Forums
181: My Account
182: Community Forums
183: Statistics
184: Community Forums
185: My Account
186: My Account
187: My Account
188: Community Forums
189: Statistics
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: My Account
193: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Toggle Content Main Menu
Toggle Content Last Posts
Last 10 Forum Messages

bocca
Last post by tennino in General Discussion Groups on Jan 16, 2021 at 16:56:41

Towns in Frosinone that were part of former Vatican States a
Last post by Italysearcher in Central Italy on Feb 19, 2019 at 09:15:58

Dual Citizenship
Last post by Curci-Ghio in General Discussion Groups on Nov 18, 2018 at 15:30:54

Please Help Translate Letter
Last post by nuccia in Translations on Oct 20, 2018 at 06:18:43

Family in Cittanova
Last post by russojoseph1 in Translations on Oct 14, 2018 at 12:28:20

DNA Testing
Last post by nuccia in General Discussion Groups on Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39:30

Trento -Atto di Nascita - Frazione di Poia, Comune di Comano
Last post by exevans in Northern Italy on Mar 28, 2018 at 00:45:37

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:58:50

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:53:38

State of the Family Record & Other State Records
Last post by debbiemfit in Northern Italy on Jan 02, 2018 at 23:14:28

Toggle Content Help Support this Site
Please support GentediMareGenealogy
Help us by supporting the future development of this site, or simply to say thank you.
Toggle Content EStore
Community Forums › General › General Discussion Groups › Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child

     Forum FAQ   Search   Log in to check your private messages   Login  
Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child
Want to share something new or just have fun? You can do that here.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index General Discussion Groups Printer Friendly Page

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Robert
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Jul 12, 2008
Posts: 55
Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

I am hoping someone here might have the answer to this question. As you might be aware, I do Italian family history research largely for people who hope to claim Italian citizenship - this is especially valuable to citizens of non-EU countries who wish to live/work in the EU.

One piece of information that I have not been able to find online is this:

What happens if the child born to an Italian father and a non-Italian mother is not legitimate (i.e. the parents never married, father disappears off the scene, etc). Would it be safe to presume that if the mother put the Italian father's name on the birth certificate that this would still be sufficient for an ancestry claim?

_________________
Researching: Amato, Vergottini, Zazzaretta
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
nuccia
Admin
Admin


Joined: Jul 09, 2007
Posts: 4375
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

Riccardo may be able to answer this question for you. He is an expert in this field.

_________________
nuccia
Italian Surname Database

Calabria Exchange
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

Well, the dual citizenship sometimes is complicated.

First of all, if an ancestor who left italy to go abroad was born before 1860, he can not inherit the italian citizenship for his descendants.

The law about italian citizenship and right to acquire it is dated 1912, so everyone who naturalized in the new country were emigrated, before 1912, can not inherit it to his grandchildren.

During those times the birth, marriage and death form record didn't contain the information about the citizenship of the people of the record.
In fact sometimes italian consulate abroad would like to have a statement from the civil record office were the italian ancestor was born, that he was born as italian citizenship.

Starting from the point that this kind of statement is not required by the italian citizenship directive, usually the registrar don't issue this kind of statement because there is not written anywhere that the ancestor was born as italian citizen.

This information is stated on the records kept at Population registry office (Ufficio Anagrafe), this office is founded around 1930 in every single municipality of italy.

But the consulate try very hard to have it because for sure a baby born in italy from polish or irish or german parents, is not italian, italian citizenship is by blood, not because the baby was born on the italian territory.
If a baby is born from an italian parent and from a non italian parent, the baby is italian.

I hope you got the idea now.

To answer your question, if an italian father didn't recognize the baby, and the non italian mother recognized the baby, it is not italian.
I do not understand how a mother put the last name of the father of the baby if his father disappeared.

Today if a baby is born, and both parents are not recognizing him, so it is in the state of abandoned baby, and put for adoption, it doesn't matter if the baby is black, yellow, or anything, the law states he is an italian citizen.

I hope I was clear, and if you think you have more questions you know where to find me
bye Riccardo Very Happy

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Gilda
New Member
New Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

Riccardo
Maybe you can help me out.
My father was born of an italian father and a colombian mother in Colombia,they were not married at the time of his birth and did not do so until my dad was 23 years old. I was told that this would be a problem for me to claim italian citizenship, since they were not married at the time of his birth?
my italian Grand father did recognize my father legally, also by the church baptizmal certicate.
Thank you
Back to top
View user's profile
  Page 1 of 1All times are GMT - 4 Hours

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index General Discussion Groups Printer Friendly Page

  
 
Jump to:  



You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Hosted By Site5.com
The logos and trademarks used on this site are the property of Gente di Mare Genealogy.
We are not responsible for comments posted by our users, as they are the opinions of the poster.
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy
TCD_ItalianGene © Gente di Mare Genealogy