x
Toggle Content Register or Login  -  March 29, 2024, 9:17 am
Toggle Content User Info

Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: LucilleDZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 2016

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 227
Total: 227
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: My Account
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: My Account
12: My Account
13: My Account
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Statistics
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: My Account
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: My Account
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: My Account
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Photo Gallery
42: Community Forums
43: My Account
44: Statistics
45: My Account
46: Statistics
47: My Account
48: Photo Gallery
49: My Account
50: Community Forums
51: My Account
52: Community Forums
53: My Account
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: My Account
57: Community Forums
58: Statistics
59: Community Forums
60: My Account
61: Community Forums
62: My Account
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: My Account
66: My Account
67: My Account
68: Home
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: My Account
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: My Account
78: My Account
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: My Account
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Statistics
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: My Account
100: Community Forums
101: My Account
102: My Account
103: Statistics
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: My Account
116: Community Forums
117: My Account
118: My Account
119: My Account
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: My Account
123: My Account
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: My Account
128: My Account
129: Community Forums
130: My Account
131: My Account
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: My Account
137: My Account
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: My Account
141: News
142: Photo Gallery
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Statistics
148: Community Forums
149: My Account
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: My Account
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: My Account
158: Statistics
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: My Account
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Home
170: Community Forums
171: My Account
172: Statistics
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: My Account
177: My Account
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: My Account
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: My Account
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: My Account
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: My Account
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: My Account
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: My Account
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: My Account
210: Community Forums
211: My Account
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: My Account
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: My Account
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: My Account
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Toggle Content Main Menu
Toggle Content Last Posts
Last 10 Forum Messages

bocca
Last post by tennino in General Discussion Groups on Jan 16, 2021 at 16:56:41

Towns in Frosinone that were part of former Vatican States a
Last post by Italysearcher in Central Italy on Feb 19, 2019 at 09:15:58

Dual Citizenship
Last post by Curci-Ghio in General Discussion Groups on Nov 18, 2018 at 15:30:54

Please Help Translate Letter
Last post by nuccia in Translations on Oct 20, 2018 at 06:18:43

Family in Cittanova
Last post by russojoseph1 in Translations on Oct 14, 2018 at 12:28:20

DNA Testing
Last post by nuccia in General Discussion Groups on Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39:30

Trento -Atto di Nascita - Frazione di Poia, Comune di Comano
Last post by exevans in Northern Italy on Mar 28, 2018 at 00:45:37

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:58:50

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:53:38

State of the Family Record & Other State Records
Last post by debbiemfit in Northern Italy on Jan 02, 2018 at 23:14:28

Toggle Content Help Support this Site
Please support GentediMareGenealogy
Help us by supporting the future development of this site, or simply to say thank you.
Toggle Content EStore
Community Forums › General › General Discussion Groups › Preservation (or not) of records!

     Forum FAQ   Search   Log in to check your private messages   Login  
Preservation (or not) of records!
Want to share something new or just have fun? You can do that here.
Go to page Previous  1, 2

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index General Discussion Groups Printer Friendly Page

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
charliemis
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Aug 05, 2007
Posts: 553
Location: Philadelphia

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

Paper was always the "old reliable" form of preservation (with limits of course)......technology has been another issue......I have been exposed to computer technology in one form or another over the last 40 years [I was a kid;-)]......just thinking about the different types of media over the years is "mind-boggling".....the challenge is to keep ahead of the curve and move the data you are trying to preserve along with the newer technologies......the 1st PC I purchased for my kids was a Tandy 1000 (circa 1980).....can you read a 5" floppy disk anymore.......how about loading a program for the original Windows OS, or how about an IBM PC running OS/2 (IBM's own PC OS). Even 3 1/4" floppies are pretty much obsolete unless you have an older PC or an attachable floppy drive which does not get included anymore in new PCs. How about those old Iomega tape backups or your ZIPDisks from a few years ago.....all left behind.

I have traveled a lot and I have tons of pictures....the color is fading fast.....the floppies from the drug store purchased when the photos were developed may no longer be compatible with your new PC and Vista......and how long will today's color pictures last that you print yourself before they fade......you just have to keep moving the data along to the latest technology you own or it will very quickly be left behind. I have transferred the 8MM movies to DVD.....I am now trying to find a good solution for about 30 carousels of 35 MM slides Rolling Eyes


_________________
Charlie

Researching: Corato, Provincia di Bari in Puglia e San Giorgio Albanese, Provincia di Cosenza in Calabria.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
BonVal
Mem
Mem


Joined: Jan 25, 2009
Posts: 54
Location: Florida

PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

I think the issue with LDS has to do with church records, not the civil records...those are a government control issue. Not sure if those are still being filmed or not... there are lists online of those government records that are damaged or destroyed.
I posted a few things on my blog about organizing and preservation of old records and photographas in personal collections. Everyone should develop contingency plans for all of their research as well as worrying about records in government or church control. There was a report of a German repository collapse today..no one hurt but no word on the condition of the massive collections of artifacts and records.

_________________
valentinoswife.wordpress.com
researching Di Crocco Pannozzo families of Itri and Campodimele Italy
freepages.genealogy.ro...opannozzo/
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Eleven
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 959
Location: New York

PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

These governments should reconsider, if they are not letting their records get copied. In this day and age, you would think that they would be educated enough to know that once these records crumble ..thats it, they are gone. Also, if anything should happen to their orginals...fire, flood, etc..at least there are copies elsewhere.

I have my own records on cd. I make a new cd each year, plus my son has a copy in his safe. It wouldnt have made much sense for me to do all of this work and if there was a fire..all is lost. I would really love to have my son take my originals, since I dont have every single thing, in my computer. But, I need those in my house, since I still use them.
Back to top
View user's profile
BonVal
Mem
Mem


Joined: Jan 25, 2009
Posts: 54
Location: Florida

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

Maybe some of those who live in Italy would know...weren't some of the commune and provinces starting to copy/film their records? My husband thought I should ask in Itri if they would like copies when I finish extracting all the records I have access to. I know in some cases there is strong sentiment on citizen's part concerning privacy issues ..like the no photographing cemetary laws. But like you I hate to think of these precious records being lost..and it will impact folks trying for citizenship too, won't it?

_________________
valentinoswife.wordpress.com
researching Di Crocco Pannozzo families of Itri and Campodimele Italy
freepages.genealogy.ro...opannozzo/
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Italysearcher
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 219
Location: Sora, Italy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

Where I live I can't imagine them even considering filming the records. In one town the computer processor is so old it takes 15 minutes to print out an identity card and they can't afford to upgrade it! ANother town has one computer and printer for 3 clerks issuing certificates.
The storage conditions of most places would horrify you (as it does me). The library in one town is also the archives. I have never seen anyone there choosing books or studying. The chill in the room is at least 10 ° less than outside. There is no heat and the lighting is one energy saving bulb in a ceiling fixture (10 foot ceiling). I can't bring my own lamp as there is nowhere to plug it in and there is no window. I am so grateful I wear gloves to handle these documents, even though it isn't required, at least my hands stay warm for up to 2 hours.

_________________
Ann Tatangelo
angelresearch.wordpress.com
Author of Annoying the Saints - Stories of my life in Italy. www.lulu.com/content/p...ly/7731505
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Eleven
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 959
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

Wow, thats an eye opener. Its all the more reason for them to accept the offer, if someone wants to film these things. I believe they give the town a copy of whatever they film. (At least thats what I was told, years ago by a member of the LDS).
Back to top
View user's profile
Italysearcher
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 219
Location: Sora, Italy

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

You are right, they did give a copy to the State Archives back in the 1960's when they did the job. Nothing is easy here. The local Anagrafe operate under different privacy laws than the State Archives. They have major privacy concerns. I range from 'look at what you want and don't bother me (as long as I have the Mayors permission)' to 'you can't even look at the record or have a photocopy'. Most will give me a photocopy (rather than a certificate or extract) rather than let me take a digital photo. They consider it private no matter how old it is. The State Archives work on a 70 year privacy law that's why the LDS were able to do the deal.

_________________
Ann Tatangelo
angelresearch.wordpress.com
Author of Annoying the Saints - Stories of my life in Italy. www.lulu.com/content/p...ly/7731505
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Carole
Admin
Admin


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 1662
Location: Valtellina - Near Lake Como

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

Tragic news from Germany on just this question. This happened on Tuesday (3.3.09.) and this article demonstrates just how widely this will affect genealogical studies in the future...

>Archive building collapse - Cologne<

>Photo Gallery- 10 photos<

The world - and 'the Church' must really open their eyes to the fact that time is running out for man to save his heritage or see it lost forever due to ideaology.... I'm sorry, it just makes me SO mad!

_________________

Researching: EDMED, SAVILL, TYSON, NEWCOMBE, STAPLETON, GUNTER, STAPLES
If you think education is expensive -try ignorance!

>Expats in Italy<
Come and join 'Dork and Friends'! >New Blog<
Back to top
View user's profile
Eleven
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 959
Location: New York

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Preservation (or not) of records! Reply with quote

I saw this on the news. The building wasnt even that old. Nobody will learn a thing from this..even if it is brought up to them.

People like the LDS are perfect, to presearve records like this because copies will be outside the archives. If anything happens to theirs, there is still another copy.

I think that people not interested in history, family or otherwise, dont even care..and many of these people are the keeper of the records..like the Italian priests. I am sure it never enters their minds, that all would be lost in a fire or some other disaster. I guess its not important to them.
Back to top
View user's profile
  Page 2 of 2All times are GMT - 4 Hours

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index General Discussion Groups Printer Friendly Page

  
 
Jump to:  



You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Hosted By Site5.com
The logos and trademarks used on this site are the property of Gente di Mare Genealogy.
We are not responsible for comments posted by our users, as they are the opinions of the poster.
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy
TCD_ItalianGene © Gente di Mare Genealogy