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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote


A few years back I was fortunate to receive some pages of the Catastini for Corato, Provincia di Bari from 1754....a gentleman on the BariGEN group offered to provide digital copies when he went to the Provincial Archivio to do his own family. I have not done much with them as they are difficult for me to read as my Italian is limited and I am not really sure how they will help me "connect the dots" to other family members in my tree. I was hoping that someone could translate them and also help me understand how I can use the data. I have traced my Paternal line back to about 1750, but I have been blocked by the Churches in Corato from obtaining earlier data....your help will be greatly appreciated.....I am interested in anyone with the Cognome MISCIOSCIA.......my family names are Francesco (GF), Cataldo (GGF), Francesco (GGGF) and Pasquale (GGGGF).

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

charliemis wrote:
I was hoping that someone could translate them and also help me understand how I can use the data.

If you post 1 or 2 pages i can tell you if i will be able to help with the translation.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote


here is a sample document Luca.......thanks

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

Where? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

Luca wrote:
Where? Rolling Eyes

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I thought it was attached to the posting, I will try it again!!

Thanks for your help

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

Stll not there...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

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Stll not there...


Hi Livio,

I haven't been able to get the attachment to work....I am working with Nuccia to upload the docs so they can be reviewed....thanks for your offer to help.

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:12 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

Hi Charlie..

I sent you a PM. Email me the docs and I will upload them for you. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

nuccia wrote:
Hi Charlie..

I sent you a PM. Email me the docs and I will upload them for you. Smile


Thanks

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

Ok..here they are:

www.gentedimareitalian...EDETTO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...NCESCO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...i_GIAC.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...NICOLA.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...MATTEO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian..._MAURO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...NICOLA.jpg

Amazing documents, Charlie. Hope someone can help with these. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

nuccia wrote:
Ok..here they are:

www.gentedimareitalian...EDETTO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...NCESCO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...i_GIAC.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...NICOLA.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...MATTEO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian..._MAURO.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...NICOLA.jpg

Amzing documents, Charlie. Hope someone can help with these. Smile

Thanks Nuccia......Luca and Livio, here is what I need to have translated:

I am interested in anyone with the Cognome MISCIOSCIA.......my family names are Francesco (GF), Cataldo (GGF), Francesco (GGGF) and Pasquale (GGGGF).

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

Intanto la trascrizione letterale:

www.gentedimareitalian...EDETTO.jpg
Benedetto Miscioscia, nel foglio 15 ad(?) [forse abbreviazione di "adversus", per indicare la parte posteriore del foglio 15]
abita nel maga(zzi)no del sig(nor) Felice Balducci (d)avanti
S(an) Benedetto
Possiede lo stesso credito(!), e sono______________ once5,10

www.gentedimareitalian...NCESCO.jpg
Fran(cesc)o Miscioscia del q(uonda)m Giacoman(toni)o, ne(l) foglio 74 ad(?)
abita all'arco di Fiorella
Possiede (gl)i stessi beni _______________________ once 9,03

www.gentedimareitalian...NICOLA.jpg
Gius(epp)e Miscioscia del q(uonda)m Nicolò, al fogl(io) 182 ad(?)
Abita avanti S(anta) Maria Greca
Possiede (gl)i stessi beni, e sono _________________ once 15,
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

www.gentedimareitalian...i_GIAC.jpg
Gius(epp)e Miscioscia di Giacoman(toni)o, nel foglio 117 ad.
abita alla Porta Nuova
Possiede (gl)i stessi beni e sono __________________________ once 6
[n.b. "gli stessi beni" dovrebbe essere riferito al precedente catasto,
quindi significa che non ci sono state variazioni rispetto all'ultimo
catasto e i beni non sono riportati ma è indicato solo il valore totale]


www.gentedimareitalian...MATTEO.jpg
Matteo Miscioscia, nel foglio 143 ad
abita (d)avanti al Signor Frascotta
Possiede (gl)i stessi beni, e sono ________________________ once 51

www.gentedimareitalian..._MAURO.jpg
Mauro ...(?) Miscioscia, al foglio 148 ad
abita al pezzo(?) di Mincanello
Possiede (gl)i stessi beni e sono ____________________ once 16,09
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote

www.gentedimareitalian...NICOLA.jpg
Nicolò Miscioscia di Oronzo, nel foglio 161 ad
abita (d)avanti [credo che "avanti" si possa tradurre anche con "nei pressi di"] San Benedetto
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Translations needed for Catasti docs Reply with quote



Thanks Luca.....I appreciate your help and rapid response......

Now I need to see if I am connected to anyone and how I can use the information.....Perhaps Francesco is an ancestor....My GGGGF was Pasquale and his son (my GGGF) was named Francesco.....I don't know Pasquale's parents (he was born circa 1750 and died circa 1803)....so far I have not seen the names BENEDETTO, MATTEO, MAURO or NICOLA in any later generations of family members.....there are really no other "data points' to connect them.....


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