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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

I need help deciphering the mother's surname on this birth document as well as Cristofaro's wife's given name noted under his name in the left column in the attachment. I believe this was Ludovico's first wife and he remarried in 1886. I can possibly verified all of this if I can be clear on his first wife's surname.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

I think his last name is: Oragotto, can't really make out her name though... I'm NOT 100% sure, but I think her first name is Lucrezia or Lucrecia. Something spelled similarly. I hope that helps!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

Thanks for trying, Gina. I know Cristofaro's surname--Dragotto; it's the mother's surname and his wife's given name that has me stymied. Maybe Luca or Livio will look in and lend their experienced eyes Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

Sorry, I was kinda close, it could have passed for an O. I'll try again & see if I can make anything out.... I just LOVE puzzles!!!! LOL

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

Well, I've been looking... Obviously the last letter is an O. The first 2 look like MU. I know, I'm probably reaching. Gee, & I thought MY handwriting was sloppy!!! LOL. Does that help even a little bit???

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

The mother is Francesca Stefana
On Nov 13 1908 he married Lucrezia Musso

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

WOW you're good!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

Thanks, Livio. I'm wondering if the mother's name should be Stefana Francesca?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

Tom, I've looked better and now I'm not sure about Francesca, I don't see the "ra" after the "F". Stefana is indeed the first name.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

How about Fum?sa Is that even close to a viable Italian surname?

Actually, I have discovered the surname Fumusa listed in marriage records for Belmonte so this may answer my own question.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

Fumusa makes sense! There are still some entries in the white pages for Belmonte Mezzagno: www.paginebianche.it/r...PA%29&l=en

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

I am posting these for Charlie - he needs some help translating a little more than just the basic info as he is looking for clues. Perhaps we can
break them down for him one post at a time?
www.gentedimareitalian..._Cat.1.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian..._Cat.2.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian..._Cat.3.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...l_Rosa.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...Rosa.2.jpg
www.gentedimareitalian...Rosa.3.jpg

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Completely/Clearly translating/understanding Atti di nascita Reply with quote



Thanks Nuccia.....


Rosa Bellante was my GF's 1st wife and it seems she was an orphan....there was also a child named Cataldo Bellante born within a few days of her birth. The name Bellante does not seem to appear in any other records for Corato as I researched all the records for the town. The name does not appear in the area surrounding Corato on paginebianche today....the closest one I found was about 1 1/2 hours distant.

As Nuccia said I'm looking for any clues to her real identity as my Italian is basic (even though I have extracted a lot of documenti).

Thanks in advance....

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote

www.gentedimareitalian..._Cat.1.jpg
Record #741 - Birth Act of Cataldo Bellante, a Foundling, registered on Sept 6 1868 in Corato

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Informant is Benedetta Mastrolillo daughter of deceased Giuseppe, 42, profession "foundling receiver" (pia ricevitrice dei trovatelli).
At 4am of the day Sep 3 she heard knocking her door in Strada Mazzini #2, and when she opened the door she saw a woman, that she did not know, who presented to her a male baby with an old white cotton diaper and a percalle shirt with no identifying signs. The informant veryfied that the baby was alive, few days old and had no sign that would allow his identiifcation in the future.
Benedetta gave the baby, to be fed, to the wet nurse Lucia Turli, aged 36 daughter of deceased Pasquale, residing in Corato Strada Crocifisso #5, wife of Francesco Colonna.
The baby was given by the Official, the name of Cataldo Bellante.
The declaration was made in front of the witnesses Michela Nesta and Filippo ?????
The act was signed only by the Officiale beimg the informat and the witnesse illitterate.

www.gentedimareitalian..._Cat.3.jpg this is the bottom part of the previous image.

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Record #752 - Birth Act of Rosa Bellante, a Foundling, registered on Sept 12 1868 in Corato

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Informant is Benedetta Mastrolillo daughter of deceased Giuseppe, 42, profession "foundling receiver" (pia ricevitrice dei trovatelli).
At 9pm of the day Sep 8 she heard knocking her door in Strada Mazzini #2, and when she opened the door she saw a woman, that she did not know, who presented to her a female baby with an old white cotton diaper and a percalle shirt with a red ribbon tied on the feet. The informant verified that the baby was alive, few days old and had no sign that would allow his identiifcation in the future.
Benedetta gave the baby, to be fed, to the wet nurse Antonia Miuzzi, aged 24 daughter of deceased Domenico, residing in Corato Strada prima Traversa San Damiano #2, single.
The baby was given by the Official, the name of Rosa Bellante.
The declaration was made in front of the witnesses Cataldo Aragone and Francesco ????
The act was signed only by the Officiale beimg the informat and the witnesse illitterate.

The side note states that Rosa married on Nov 26 1886 Francesco M???? son of Cataldo

www.gentedimareitalian...Rosa.3.jpg this is the bottom part of the previous image.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Help deciphering a name Reply with quote


Thanks Livio.

Looks like there are no clues to indentify either Rosa Bellante or Cataldo Bellante's parents.....and also no way to determine if they were related to each other....sounds like someone liked the name Bellante.

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