x
Toggle Content Register or Login  -  March 28, 2024, 10:34 pm
Toggle Content User Info

Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: LucilleDZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 2016

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 358
Total: 358
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: My Account
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: My Account
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: My Account
09: My Account
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: My Account
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Statistics
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: My Account
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Statistics
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: My Account
36: Community Forums
37: My Account
38: My Account
39: My Account
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: My Account
48: My Account
49: My Account
50: Community Forums
51: My Account
52: My Account
53: Community Forums
54: My Account
55: My Account
56: Photo Gallery
57: My Account
58: My Account
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: My Account
63: My Account
64: My Account
65: My Account
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: My Account
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: My Account
75: My Account
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Statistics
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: My Account
83: Community Forums
84: My Account
85: Community Forums
86: My Account
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: My Account
90: My Account
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: My Account
94: My Account
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Statistics
99: My Account
100: Community Forums
101: My Account
102: My Account
103: My Account
104: Photo Gallery
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Statistics
111: Community Forums
112: My Account
113: Community Forums
114: My Account
115: My Account
116: My Account
117: Statistics
118: My Account
119: My Account
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: My Account
127: My Account
128: Community Forums
129: My Account
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: My Account
137: My Account
138: My Account
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Statistics
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: My Account
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Photo Gallery
155: My Account
156: Community Forums
157: My Account
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Statistics
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Statistics
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Photo Gallery
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Statistics
178: Statistics
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: My Account
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: My Account
195: My Account
196: My Account
197: Community Forums
198: My Account
199: My Account
200: My Account
201: My Account
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: My Account
205: My Account
206: My Account
207: Community Forums
208: My Account
209: Statistics
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Statistics
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: My Account
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: My Account
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: My Account
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: My Account
232: Community Forums
233: My Account
234: My Account
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: My Account
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: My Account
243: My Account
244: Photo Gallery
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Statistics
250: My Account
251: My Account
252: My Account
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: My Account
258: Community Forums
259: Photo Gallery
260: My Account
261: Community Forums
262: My Account
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: My Account
267: Community Forums
268: My Account
269: My Account
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: My Account
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: My Account
283: My Private Messages
284: My Account
285: Community Forums
286: My Account
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: My Account
290: Community Forums
291: My Account
292: My Account
293: My Account
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: My Account
297: Community Forums
298: My Account
299: Community Forums
300: My Account
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: My Account
308: Community Forums
309: My Account
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: My Account
316: Home
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: My Account
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Home
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: My Account
326: My Account
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: My Account
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: My Account
335: Community Forums
336: My Account
337: Community Forums
338: My Account
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: My Account
352: Statistics
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: My Account
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Toggle Content Main Menu
Toggle Content Last Posts
Last 10 Forum Messages

bocca
Last post by tennino in General Discussion Groups on Jan 16, 2021 at 16:56:41

Towns in Frosinone that were part of former Vatican States a
Last post by Italysearcher in Central Italy on Feb 19, 2019 at 09:15:58

Dual Citizenship
Last post by Curci-Ghio in General Discussion Groups on Nov 18, 2018 at 15:30:54

Please Help Translate Letter
Last post by nuccia in Translations on Oct 20, 2018 at 06:18:43

Family in Cittanova
Last post by russojoseph1 in Translations on Oct 14, 2018 at 12:28:20

DNA Testing
Last post by nuccia in General Discussion Groups on Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39:30

Trento -Atto di Nascita - Frazione di Poia, Comune di Comano
Last post by exevans in Northern Italy on Mar 28, 2018 at 00:45:37

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:58:50

Translating written postcard
Last post by mekanic in Translations on Jan 18, 2018 at 13:53:38

State of the Family Record & Other State Records
Last post by debbiemfit in Northern Italy on Jan 02, 2018 at 23:14:28

Toggle Content Help Support this Site
Please support GentediMareGenealogy
Help us by supporting the future development of this site, or simply to say thank you.
Toggle Content EStore
Community Forums › General › General Discussion Groups › unbelivable but true

     Forum FAQ   Search   Log in to check your private messages   Login  
unbelivable but true
Want to share something new or just have fun? You can do that here.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index General Discussion Groups Printer Friendly Page

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Hello all,
today I just got a reply from US Department of Homeland security, who is replying to me after they got my request date 20 july 2007 (about 17 months ago).
The reply states that after a diligent research done on the indexes they stated me that my uncle, brother of my dad, Francesco Paolo BRUNO (aka Frank Paul BRUNO) never naturalized as a US citizen.
I remember when I was a boy his blue passport from USA, and it means that he was a US citizen, also Cathy found later for me on the microfilm his number of citizenship certificate.
Now my question is: how these people work in these offices? neclord
I gave them the exact date and place of birth, he was born in Italy on 1930!!!
They sent me the same reply for my Nicholas BRUNO, brother of my grandpa, born in Italy on 1892
I got his naturalization papers from local library in Monroe, Louisiana.
I'm astonished to receive this kind of very late reply, we live almost on 2009 in the era of computer-internet- and so on, and still US government do give answers like that.
Thanks God there is a forum like Gente where people do their most efforts to help each other!!!!
I would like to know if there is any comment or any experience like mine
Regards
Riccardo

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Eleven
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 959
Location: New York

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

I found out, very early on, that nobody searches the way we do ourselves. When I started genealogy, there was no internet. I learned from books that I bought.

I would go to the New York City public library to look for my people coming into the country. They had the passenger records there. At the same time, the National Archives in Washington DC would do a search for you for free. I would mail them the information and then go look at the library, myself.

If the National Archives found your person, they would send you a letter and if you wanted the record, you had to send them 10 or 15 dollars. But, they gave you a huge copy. Out of all of the people I found...they found only one person. A cousin of my mother. I found my grandparents and their siblings, and my husbands grandfather and his father. They never found them..and some of those people were easy for me to find.

I remember thinking the same thing..what do they have monkeys working there? How could they not find some of these people?

I think, when we search..we search with our hearts. If its out there, we will find it, or never stop until we do. Other people have no interest..so if it doesnt smack them in the face, they wont find it.

I think when I sent for naturalizations, I sent to the county they were naturalized in, not the federal government. I believe, for my father in law, they wanted me to send them proof that he was dead, and proof that I was related to him. They didnt do that when I sent for my grandfathers, tho.

Maybe you can try again by mailing to the county.
Back to top
View user's profile
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Eleven wrote:
I found out, very early on, that nobody searches the way we do ourselves. When I started genealogy, there was no internet. I learned from books that I bought.

I would go to the New York City public library to look for my people coming into the country. They had the passenger records there. At the same time, the National Archives in Washington DC would do a search for you for free. I would mail them the information and then go look at the library, myself.

If the National Archives found your person, they would send you a letter and if you wanted the record, you had to send them 10 or 15 dollars. But, they gave you a huge copy. Out of all of the people I found...they found only one person. A cousin of my mother. I found my grandparents and their siblings, and my husbands grandfather and his father. They never found them..and some of those people were easy for me to find.

I remember thinking the same thing..what do they have monkeys working there? How could they not find some of these people?

Yes, I think they are monkeys or not interested in what they do, and I think they are not motivated people or they are stressed as well

Quote::
I think, when we search..we search with our hearts. If its out there, we will find it, or never stop until we do. Other people have no interest..so if it doesnt smack them in the face, they wont find it.

These are true words, but I don't think anyone is allowed to research inside USCIS like you do going and attending New York Library! So they should do their best and not taking too much time. I wish I could work in those places.....I really like to do it

Quote::
I think when I sent for naturalizations, I sent to the county they were naturalized in, not the federal government. I believe, for my father in law, they wanted me to send them proof that he was dead, and proof that I was related to him. They didnt do that when I sent for my grandfathers, tho.

Maybe you can try again by mailing to the county.

Thanks to Billiedekid and to Cathy I was able about 10 months ago to have the complete ICE file of my uncle Francesco Paolo BRUNO.
My great uncle Nicholas BRUNO's naturalization papers (the transcribed text) was kept to Monroe library in Lousiana. USCIS sent me the copy from real records and sent me (as best copy available) a really blurry one. Shocked Shocked Shocked So last June I sent the copies back to them neclord Evil or Very Mad neclord Evil or Very Mad telling them I want a hi quality and readable one because I want to put it in a frame and stick on the wall of my living room. No replies from June to now. Thank you for sharing your experiences, bye Riccardo

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

I'm so sorry Riccardo. On the other hand, it makes you wonder how many people get this letter when their ancestor really naturalized. *wonders what they would say to me - maybe I can qualify for dual citizenship!* Wink

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Cathy wrote:
I'm so sorry Riccardo. On the other hand, it makes you wonder how many people get this letter when their ancestor really naturalized. *wonders what they would say to me - maybe I can qualify for dual citizenship!* Wink

Cathy, please do not be sorry. It is thanks to u that I got the number of naturalization certificate and Billidekid was able to speed up the process calling often USCIS.

In the event that your ancestor never became a naturalized US citizen it must be proven with a certification of "NO RECORDS" from the following:
1. USCIS, 2. NARA (National Archives), 3. the local County Court and 4. a Census Report from the US Dept. of Commerce.

Just start to try, you never know
bye Riccardo

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Well, you know he did natualize - I have the original papers. But if they couldn't find yours with the index information, they will never find his!! He lied about his birthdate on the paperwork and he had a common name. They would probably never even look in Atlanta where he naturalized prior to his Army service! Shocked

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

So that is why, it is worth to try, you give them the right name, last name, place of birth (I remember it is stated as Parantoro, you tell them it is Montalto Uffugo, which is true because he was reported to Montalto Uffugo civil record office) and date of birth, and for the rest u know I can help you, this way your dream may come true, who knows!!!
bye Riccardo

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Very Happy Nice thought Riccardo...but I could never do that. It would be deceptive and dishonest. I know he naturalized so no matter what my government says, I could not lie to the Italian or American governments. hide

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

ops hide shame on me Riccardo Embarassed

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Cathy
V.I.P.
V.I.P.


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 2681

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

OH NO!! I did not mean that! I love my Riccardo! kiss I just meant that I would feel guilty! I know the truth. The key word here is guilt! I have saints in the family tree - I have to be a good girl now! Embarassed hide

_________________
Cathy
My Websites
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Cathy, everything is ok, no worries, I just gave you a bad idea
I love you too
hugs
Riccardo

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
nuccia
Admin
Admin


Joined: Jul 09, 2007
Posts: 4375
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

I just got home and am reading all this and can't believe they can't find a record for your ancestor! You aren't having any luck with this whole thing, are you? What a horrible experience!

_________________
nuccia
Italian Surname Database

Calabria Exchange
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
ricbru
Researcher
Researcher


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 427
Location: TRENTO - ITALIA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Nuccia, not problems, I got everything thanks to all of you, the problem is that they do not know what they are doing, and what they have or not in their files, and we want to talk about their very delayed reply (17 months) of working hard for researching that naturalization paper? this is just ridiculos...

_________________
Riccardo





HELP ME to find the ship manifest of 1902 to USA, about my GGFather Francesco Paolo BRUNO from Trapani (1860/1938)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JB5150
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Sep 13, 2007
Posts: 78
Location: Florida

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Riccardo,

I just read your message and unfortunately, I am not surprised. I submitted a request to USCIS right around the same time as you did and then I updated it about a month later with some additional information. I eventually received the "certification of non-existence of a record" that I was waiting for, but they did not include the updated information that I had sent them later (an additional possible birth date). I know they received the update because they confirmed that they have a copy of the letter I sent them in their files. I am *still* trying to get an updated certification letter with all of the correct information on it! It's very frustrating-- I totally understand how you feel!

-Jill
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
charliemis
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Aug 05, 2007
Posts: 553
Location: Philadelphia

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: unbelivable but true Reply with quote

Unfortunately they all share a common heritage ---- they are government employees, who for the most part, the world over don't really like to work too hard and do their job. When I first tried to obtain extracts for some of my ancestors in Corato (BA) I wrote to the Office of the Anagrafe. I explained what information that I needed and that I would be coming to visit in person in a few months. When I arrived in Corato, I arranged for my cousin to go along with me to the Municipio to help me out. The Anagrafe spent 20 minutes telling me and my cousin that all the records were destroyed. I decided not to give up my quest and I wrote again to the Mayor and the Ufficio di Stato Civile ---- since then I have received about 40 extracts (even some I did not ask for like my GF's 1st wife).....same Muncipio, just someone who was willing to do a little work for me. I have sent this gentleman a few small gifts....keychain, baseball cap....and he has really been very helpful....you just to get lucky and find someone who will do their job. I also had some luck with the local county records clerk who volunteered that she had some other docs that I didn't request for my father who became a US citizen in 1942.

_________________
Charlie

Researching: Corato, Provincia di Bari in Puglia e San Giorgio Albanese, Provincia di Cosenza in Calabria.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
  Page 1 of 1All times are GMT - 4 Hours

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index General Discussion Groups Printer Friendly Page

  
 
Jump to:  



You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Hosted By Site5.com
The logos and trademarks used on this site are the property of Gente di Mare Genealogy.
We are not responsible for comments posted by our users, as they are the opinions of the poster.
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy
TCD_ItalianGene © Gente di Mare Genealogy