Stelitano wrote:

...is it possible that the "no sail" manifest for Rachaela is WRONG? Maybe both the girls were "no sails," but Rachaela DID come?

Unlikely BUT possible.

Like to see what Nuccia's take is on this.

Biff

Biff it's a def possiblility - the daughter stayed behind but she didn't. Something strange here and I really want to know what it is. Time to call the Cosenza expert...Cathy??

Stelitano wrote:

Ok Nuccia, here is what I have: 1920 census with Carmelo, Rachaela, Dominic, Carmela, and Mary Coseorelli: search.ancestry.com/cg...PLz0q3dpid You will see that ALL the names are misspelled...and the Naccarato family is listed right beneath them! This is also the documentation that shows that Rachaela came to the US in 1911 and Mary came in 1919, but my mother says she was ALWAYS told they came together, and that Rachaela left an older daughter in Italy with her mother. How sad! Here is the 1930 census: search.ancestry.com/ie...=101921485 You will see that Mary is no longer listed as a dependent - she is married to Frank at this time ( search.ancestry.com/ie...=101921632 ). Also, my Uncle John was born! This indicates that Rachaela came to the US in 1910, not 1911... So from these records, and Carmela Stelitano's (Rachaela's daughter with Carmelo) obituary, at SOME POINT Rachaela was Rachaela Ruffolo, and Mary was Mary Coseorelli. But I do not know the last name of Rachaela when she came over - she could have been a Coseorelli, and Ruffolo was her maiden name. Or she could have been a Ruffolo, and never married Mary's father. We have been unable to find either of them with various name spellings on a ship's manifest. It's driving me crazy! I know that's a lot of information, and initially I thought I would send it to you via PM...but hopefully, someone else might find this post and be able to provide us both with more information! Thanks again - Looking forward to your reply! Michelle

Here is what I think, daughter Maria's surname may be COSCARELLI. This is a name well known to me in the same area as Ruffolo and Chiapetta. I have many Cosenza area microfilms at my center so if we can narrow down names, places and dates I would be more than happy to go pull some records for you if I have the films. I do have access to some Marano Marchesato records. Has anyone checked the Marano Marcesato website?

Stelitano wrote:

Hi Cathy! The 1920 census lists my great-aunt Mary as living with my grandfather and their parents. She is my grandfather's HALF sister - they have the same mother, but different fathers. My great-grandfather was a Stelitano. On the census, it lists Mary as a step-daughter and her name appears to be Coseorelli. But you know that the spelling is often wrong on census! I know my great-grandfather is from Reggio di Calabria, and I found some information that lists Roghudi as his place of birth. I don't know where his wife Rachaela was from in Italy - I assume at least Reggio di Calabria. Likewise Mary. This website - web.archive.org/web/20....com/C.htm - lists the Chiappetta's as being common in both Rende and Roggiana Gravina, and lists two people who are searching for the surname. I will definitely write to them to see what they might know! We're off the roadblock! Michelle

My grandfather came from Montalto Uffugo and I descend from a Chiapetta way back in the early 1700's - they moved around and were in Rende, Marano Marchesato, San Vincenzo La costa...but the majority originated in Marano and Rende. (I am talking historically, not present day). I still have not read this whole thread yet so I may have missed something but I promise to have a close look tomorrow night. (My schedule is packed during the day). As I said, my center has many films from many Cosenza towns...let's hope I can get you all the records you need!!

Some longshots here: [AND THIS IS JUST ME TALKING TO MYSELF]

Leonilda Chiappetta daughter of Giovanni Caterina Ruffolo born 31 Dec 1887 In Marano.

Same Leonilda Chiapetta, 16 years later on 31 Oct 1903 married Pasquale Chiappetta son of Saverio and Beeatrice Trombino

Not concrete but several interesting notes - year of birth for Leonilda matches -
Perfect time fram for first child to be born -
Her mother is a Ruffolo

BUT

it DOESN'T match with Carmela Caputo's info so...





Michelle you said your Carmelo arrived in 1903 from Roghudi? Do you have the ship manifest for that?

Dominic Gerald "Mico" Stelitano, 57

Dominic Gerald "Mico" Stelitano, 57, passed away in Trinidad, December 11, 2003. He was born November 24, 1946 to John C. and Elizabeth M. (Pachelli) Stelitano. He graduated from Trinidad High School in 1964 and served in the United States Navy from 1964 to 1967. He was a Vietnam veteran. He worked for the Burlington Northern Railroad for 6 years.

He was a member of Holy Trinity Church and Disabled American Veterans.

He is preceded in death by his father John, his grandparents, Carmelo and Rachela Stelitano and Angelo and Lucia Pachelli, uncles and aunts, Domenic Stelitano Sr., Tony, Domenic, Fred, Albert and Umberto Pachelli, Mike and Helen Rinna, Carmela DeBono, Concetta Caira and his great niece Savonna Mascarenas.

He is survived by his mother, Elizabeth, his brother, John Carmel (Dorothy) Stelitano, special friend, Joyce Monter, his aunts and uncles, Guido and Ann Pachelli, Richard and Connie Pachelli, Gloria Pachelli, Mary Pachelli, Bella Stelitano and numerous nephews, nieces and cousins.

Visitation will be Monday, Dec. 15, 2003, from 2 - 6 p.m. at the Mullare-Murphy Funeral Home. A Rosary will follow at 7 p.m. at the Mullare-Murphy Funeral Home. Funeral Mass will be Tuesday, Dec. 16 at 10 a.m. at Holy Trinity Church. Inurnment will follow at the Trinidad Catholic Cemetery.

Honorary pallbearers are Richard Mosher, Ron Monteleone, Sisto Mazza, J.C. Phelps, Anthony Veltri and Peppe Gomez, Richard Pachelli Jr., Guido Pachelli Jr., Tony Pachelli, Fred Pachelli, Domenic Pachelli, Anthony Pachelli, Charles Pachelli and Albert Pachelli Jr.

Memorials may be made to Trinidad Catholic Schools.

The family of Dominic Stelitano has entrusted arrangements to the Mullare-Murphy Funeral Home.

Source: www.trinidadco.com/for...elitano-57

Hi Nuccia, Biff, and Cathy,

What I am basing Carmelo's arrival date in the US on is the 1920 census:

search.ancestry.com/cg...mp;recoff=

Once again, the names are misspelled but the group of names (Carmano, Rachaela, Dominick, Mary and Carmela) ARE the Stelitano family, so I believe this is their correct record. It indicates that "Carmano" was born c. 1873 and came to the US in c. 1903, and Rachaela was born c. 1888 and came to the US c. 1911 (which does make sense, since my grandfather Dominic was born August 3, 1912). This is also where MARY is listed as Carmelo's step-daughter, who came to the US in 1919 as a Coseorelli (My mother still maintains that the story she always heard was that Mary came over WITH Rachaela!)! The date on this census is January 1920, and we know that Mary married Frank Naccarato the following MONTH! She was in the US, I believe, for less than six months before she married him.

I have not been able to find Carmelo on a ship manifest.

The obit for Dominic Stelitano you list was for my first cousin once removed - it was my grandfather Dominic's brother John's son. I knew him well, and saw him last in June 2003 at my parent's 50th wedding anniversary.

I thought I must be stupid to have so much trouble with this side of my family. It does give me some comfort to see that their records really ARE a mess and it's not an easy find!

Thank you all so much for all your efforts on my behalf! Your generosity amazes me!

Michelle

Another tidbit: I did find a ship manifest from 1910 for Carmelo Stelitano - search.ancestry.com/ie...4008212434

I am not sure this is MY Carmelo, because this one's "final destination" is Pennsylvania - with his father!

1903 Births
Concetta Chiappetta 18


Also found Births 1907...
50 Maria Chiappetta
69 Concetta Chiappetta

Births for 1908
25 Chiappetta Maria
27 Chiappetta Maria
63 Chiappetta Carolina
77 Ruffolo Carmela

I think we need to place Carmelo on a 1910 Census to find out..

This may also be a possibility - but he was from Bova.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Carmela Stillitano
Name: Carmela Stillitano
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1903
Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Massilia

And of course the WW1 Draft Registration card would help but it`s unfortunately mis linked.. It might list his place of birth.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Carmelio Stelatino
Name: Carmelio Stelatino
County: Las Animas
State: Colorado
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1872
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1561823
DraftBoard: 0
Age:

Possible 1903 manifest for Carmelo per Nuccia's find above.
Year of birth based on age and immigration year match but destination is Sharpsburg PA.

www.ellisisland.org/EI...&line=0004

I'll see if I can locate the image on Ancestry since the above is blurry.

Biff

Biff83 wrote:

Possible 1903 manifest for Carmelo per Nuccia's find above. Year of birth based on age and immigration year match but destination is Sharpsburg PA. www.ellisisland.org/EI...;line=0004 I'll see if I can locate the image on Ancestry since the above is blurry. Biff

But this lists Carmelo as MARRIED...

Stelitano wrote:

But this lists Carmelo as MARRIED...

Oops! Back to the drawing board.

Biff

Ok guess I missed that - thanks Biff. How can we get that WW1 Image - I can`t seem to find it even after scrolling page by page. We need everything we can get to match all these people up.

The 1920 census lists Carmelo's birthdate as about 1873, his immigration year as about 1903. Rachaela's birthdate is about 1888, and her immigration year is about 1911. Mary's immigration year is 1919.

The 1930 census lists Carmelo's birthdate as about 1875, and his immigration year as about 1904. Rachaela's birthdate is about 1888, and her immigration year is about 1910.

Interestingly, the 1930 census lists Rachaela's age as 42, and her "age of first marriage" as 24...that would mean she married Carmelo in about 1912...but was NOT MARRIED previously! Lord knows if that's true, but my mother told me that one of her aunt's told her once that Rachaela was NOT married to Mary's father.

Interesting stuff, but just adds to the puzzle!

Michelle