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#136: Re: Translation Help Author: Tiger965, Location: Melbourne ,Florida

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:09 pm
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Consoli is my Great Great Grandmother's maiden name so any one that looks that maybe related will help.

#137: Re: Translation Help Author: liviomoreno, Location: Rome (Italy)

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:14 pm
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Tiger965 wrote:

These are the pictures that I've found and would like some help in translating them. Thank you so very much. ~ Rita
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img135.imageshack.us/i...113il9.jpg
img520.imageshack.us/i...139qu4.jpg
img520.imageshack.us/i...141pt2.jpg
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img135.imageshack.us/i...282ad7.jpg
img146.imageshack.us/i...290kz1.jpg
img135.imageshack.us/i...unoxj8.jpg
img520.imageshack.us/i...263cs7.jpg
img135.imageshack.us/i...riavv4.jpg
img168.imageshack.us/i...anomt7.jpg

I am attaching a zip file with my findings.

#138: Re: Translation Help Author: Tiger965, Location: Melbourne ,Florida

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:45 pm
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I don't know how to open it Sad

#139: Re: Translation Help Author: liviomoreno, Location: Rome (Italy)

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:50 am
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consolipg16lh4.jpg: Petra Paola born June 3, 1879 bapt June 3, 1879 daughter of Antonino and Rosaria C????
consolipg101am1.jpg: Luciano born Dec 13, 1880 bapt Dec 16, 1889 son of Antonino and Josepha Caraffa
consolipg113il9.jpg: Ascenzio born Mar 1, 1881 bapt Mar 5, 1881 son of Pietro and Lucia Caponnetto
consolipg139qu4.jpg: Rosaria born Sep 5, 1881 bapt Sep 7, 1881 daughter of Biagio and Concetta Martines
consolipg141pt2.jpg: Josepha born Sep 18, 1881 bapt Sep 11, 1881 daughter of Salvatore and Lucia Spampinato
consolipg250nv8.jpg: Grazia born Aug 31, 1883 bapt Sep 5, 1881 daughter of Salvatore and Lucia Spampinato
consolipg282ad7.jpg: Josepha born Feb 15, 1884 bapt Feb 25, 1884 daughter of Pietro and Lucia Caponnetto
consolipg290kz1.jpg: There is a Carnela Consoli, godmother of Grazia Fiducia
vitobrunoxj8.jpg: I am not able to decipher
consoligraziapg263cs7.jpg: Grazia born Dec 1, 1883 bapt Dec 4, 1883 daughter of Biagio and Concetta Martines
distefanomariavv4.jpg: I am not able to decipher
distefanomt7.jpg: I am not able to decipher

#140: Re: Translation Help Author: johnlabarbera, Location: Katy Texas USA

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:35 am
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Elizabeth, when you have a pdf open it in Adobe and 'save as' then select jpeg as the file type. it will save into jpeg images and it will usually split them for you if there are multiple documents within the pdf.

#141: Re: Translation Help Author: Luca, Location: Terni - Italy

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:42 am
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1829 March 3
Marriage between Antonino Longo (son of Giuseppe and Maria Ciranna) and Maria De Stefano (daughter of Giuseppe and Angela Carciola).
In Latin:
Die 3 mensis Martii 1829.
Factis tribus denuntiationibus tribus diebus festivis, inter missarum solemnia nempe sub diebus 1 - 2 - 5 mensis februarii, in hac Venerabili Matrici Ecclesia Collegiatis Communis Pulchris Passus sub titulo Immacolatae Conceptionis, ob matrimonium contrahendum inter Antoninum Longo filium Joseph et Maria Ciranna ... comunis sponsum ex una, et Mariam de Stefano filiam magistri Joseph et Angela Carciolla sponsum ex altera nulloque detecto legitimo impedimento Reverendus Canonicus et Cappellanus D. Isidorus Sotera dictos sponsos interrogavit habitoque eorum mutuo consensu per verba de presenti matrimonio conjunxit coram testibus D. Antonio Bellia et D. Francisco Urso, I(uxta) R(itum) S(ancta) R(omana) E(cclesia) et S(acro) C(oncilio) T(ridentino) et ... in missa benedixit.

Ciao
Luca

P.S.
Corrected at 12.05 p.m.

Last edited by Luca on Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:06 pm; edited 1 time in total

#142: Re: Translation Help Author: Luca, Location: Terni - Italy

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:59 pm
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1831 September 24.
Marriage between Antonino De Stefano (son of Domenico and Innocenza Marino) and Rosaria Prazzavento (daughter of Antonino and Domenica Longo - Domenica is already death at the moment of the act).
In Latin:

Die 24 Septembris 1831.
Factis tribus denuntiationibus tribus diebus festivis, inter missarum solemnia nempe sub diebus 12 - 15 - 21 mensis Augustii, in hac Venerabili Matrici Ecclesia Collegiata sub titulo Immacolatae Conceptionis Pulchri Passus , ob matrimonium contrahendum inter Antoninum de Stefano filium Dominici et Innocentiae Marino sponsum ex una, et Rosariam Prazzavento filiam Antonini et quondam Dominicae Longo ... comunis sponsum ex altera nulloque detecto legitimo impedimento Reverendus Canonicus D. Joseph Stramondo habita prius licentia Reverendissimi Parrochi et Vicarii Foranei D. Gasparis Bufali, dictos sponsos interrogavit habitoque eorum mutuo consensu per verba de presenti matrimonio conjunxit coram testibus D. Antonio Bellia et magistro Antonino Mossa, I(uxta) R(itum) S(ancta) R(omana) E(cclesia) et S(acro) C(oncilio) T(ridentino) et in missa benedixit.

#143: Re: Translation Help Author: Tiger965, Location: Melbourne ,Florida

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:05 am
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Hi Livio,
Could this be Carmela Consoli? Michaelangelo Sapienza's wife and son Giuseppe? ~ Rita

consolipg290kz1.jpg: There is a Carnela Consoli, godmother of Grazia Fiducia Surprised

#144: Re: Translation Help Author: liviomoreno, Location: Rome (Italy)

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:40 pm
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Tiger965 wrote:

Hi Livio,
Could this be Carmela Consoli? Michaelangelo Sapienza's wife and son Giuseppe? ~ Rita

consolipg290kz1.jpg: There is a Carnela Consoli, godmother of Grazia Fiducia Surprised

It's difficult to say, we have just a name, no other reference.

#145: Re: Translation Help Author: Tiger965, Location: Melbourne ,Florida

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:34 pm
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please translate this document. This is from the Civil Registration. Thank you.

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#146: Re: Translation Help Author: liviomoreno, Location: Rome (Italy)

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:31 am
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http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5595/francescostd4.jpg

Francesco born Apr 4 1893 son of Giuseppe (54y) and Lucia Proietto

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1413/salvatore11iu7.jpg

Salvatore born Dec 24 1891 son of Giuseppe (54y) and Lucia Distefano

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4327/rosa9hc1.jpg

Rosa born Apr 10 1887 daughter of Giuseppe and Lucia Distefano

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Agata born Apr 22 1890 daughter of Giuseppe and Lucia Distefano

#147: Re: Translation Help Author: Luca, Location: Terni - Italy

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:00 am
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liviomoreno wrote:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5595/francescostd4.jpg

Francesco born Apr 4 1893 son of Giuseppe (54y) living in the quarter named "Collegiata" n. 88 and Lucia Proietto

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1413/salvatore11iu7.jpg

Salvatore born Dec 24 1891 son of Giuseppe (54y) living in the quarter named "Collegiata" n. 88 and Lucia Distefano [N.B. They live in the same place so they are same persons also if Lucia is called sometime Proietto and sometime Di Stefano; moreover Giuseppe married Lucia Proietto in 1875. Lucia is conclusively always the same wife Shocked

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On the side: he married on January 22 1916 with De Luca Agata in Belpasso This act has been already translated at page 4 of this topic !
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4327/rosa9hc1.jpg

Rosa born Apr 10 1887 daughter of Giuseppe and Lucia Distefano
The statement of Rosa's born was made by the midwife because Giuseppe was out of Belpasso (it's not said where or why).
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Agata born Apr 22 1890 daughter of Giuseppe and Lucia Distefano

#148: Re: Translation Help Author: Luca, Location: Terni - Italy

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:14 am
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From page 4

Luca wrote:

Agata Sapienza – Civil birth act
Date registered – 1890 – 23 – April
Comune – Belpasso
Person registering the birth - Lucia Distefano
Age - 66 Occupation - midwife OK
Living in – Belpasso
Actual day of birth – 1890 - 22 – April
Mother – Lucia Distefano wife of Giuseppe Sapienza (farmer) living in said commune
Babies name – Agata. Per Livio: Ci deve essere stato un qualche errore da parte dell'ufficiale di Stato Civile, perché è impossibile che Lucia di Stefano (oltretutto di 66 anni) sia contemporaneamente levatrice e madre della bambina. Non pensi?

liviomoreno wrote:

Grazie Luca!
Penso che sia un caso di omonimia... Oltre a tutto a 66 anni non penso possa aver partorito.

For those who do not understand Italian:
Luca was pointing out that the midwife has the same name as the mother. I believe it is a case of homonymy, they just happened to have the same name...

Piccola curiosità Smile

Si è trattato di un errore dell'ufficiale di Stato Civile perché il nome della levatrice non è Lucia di Stefano ma Carmela di Stefano (si può vedere dalla dichiarazione di nascita di Rosa img525.imageshack.us/i...sa9hc1.jpg )

Ciao
Luca

#149: Re: Translation Help Author: liviomoreno, Location: Rome (Italy)

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:32 am
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Luca wrote:

A me sembra strano un errore dello stato civile! Potrebbero esserci due levatrici, Carmela e Lucia.

#150: Re: Translation Help Author: Tiger965, Location: Melbourne ,Florida

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:24 am
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I don't mean to repeat information but I was told that the Civil/State Registration has more information about the parents ages,etc.

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