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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Translation? Reply with quote

Alfonso Rescigno is at the bottom of each of the pages. I cannot read the note on the 2nd page.

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On Giuseppe document bottom page 1 I think it says he was a resident of Roccapiemonte, Salerno, Castellammare di Stabia. Is this corrrect?

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Also, for Antonio, note at the bottom of page 2.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

The note says "Exempted as his brother Antonio is in the Naval Infantry Corp".
I believe it means he didn't have to serve in the army as he already had his brother serving.
I will look at the rest.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

Giuseppe was born in Roccapiemonte, Province of Salerno then resident in Castellamare.

The other note says Giuseppe is exempt as his brother is already serving in the army.

About the last question, I think it says he is exempt as he is the only support(?) for his living father. (I cannot read the fourth word, after "unico". Luca or Livio, heeelp).

I'm not an expert in this kind of things and how it worked in the past but I know that when two brothers served in the army the third one is exempt. Also when a son is the only support for the family he can be exempt from serving in the army.
Men here (Luca, Livio, Riccardo) know better these rules. I'm sure they'll give you a better explanation......

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

I got the word is "maschio", but now I'm not sure of the following word which I thought was "padre" . It sounds now as that he was exempt as he was the only surviving male....


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

uantiti wrote:
I got the word is "maschio", but now I'm not sure of the following word which I thought was "padre" . It sounds now as that he was exempt as he was the only surviving male....


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Unico maschio di padre vivente.

Only male child of living father.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

Thank you Ada and Livio. Just trying to figure out the time of service and where I should write for any military records regarding Antonio's service.

Giuseppe was born Jun 1844 and Alfonso was born Jan 1852. Antonio was born Jun 1846. (Francesco was born Oct 1841 and Vincenzo was born Apr 1840 both of whom not registered for military service in either Roccapiemonte or Castellammare di Stabia)

Deaths of males:

Giovanni (father) - Jul 1877 Castellammare di Stabia
Vincenzo - Aug 1882 Castellammare di Stabia
Francesco - Nov 1880 Castellammare di Stabia
Antonio - Dec 1912 (Tunisia)
Giuseppe - aft. 1900, bef. 1915 Castellammare di Stabia?
Alfonso - abt 1920 (USA)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

If Antonio was in the Army it means that one of the two brothers before him, for some reasons, did not serve in the army. As said if two already served the third is exempt. It was up to the man to request the exemption. Males were usually called when they were 18-20.
Military records are usually housed in Provincial State Archives. If they were resident in Roccapiemonte then you have to apply to Salerno:

ARCHIVIO DI STATO DI SALERNO
Piazza Abate Conforti 7
84100 Salerno (SA)
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E-Mail: as-sa @ beniculturali.it

Time for answer: 30 days maximum.
If you decide to write by normal mail you'll have to send stamps for the answer.

Castellamare di Stabia is under Napoli province and this makes things a bit more complicated. I must read all what they wrote in their website about request for "Fogli Matricolari". I'll tell you later.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

Hi Ada. The men all registered for the draft in Castellammare di Stabia having moving there from Roccapiemonte about 1857 to 1860.

Apparently Francesco and Vincenzo were too old at the inception of the draft in 1865. Only Giuseppe, Antonio and Alfonso registered. I believe I need to write to Naples for the "Fogli Matricolari". The military records are online for Castellammare di Stabia. Both the lista di leva and Ruelo Matriclure are part of the records the LDS microfilmed.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

The Provincial State Archive in Naples accepts searches by correspondence and you can send the request by e-mail:

as-na @ beniculturali.it

This is what they say:

L'Archivio di Stato di Napoli conserva: a) fogli matricolari del Distretto di Napoli e degli ex Distretti di Aversa e di Nola dal 1870 al 1896 con molte lacune. I fogli matricolari successivi al 1896 devono essere richiesti al "Distretto militare Ufficio documentazione e matricola Napoli". Per la ricerca nominativa occorre indicare la data esatta della nascita del soggetto dell'indagine; b) liste di leva dei Comuni di Napoli e provincia dal 1842 al 1930 con molte lacune. Per la ricerca nominativa occorre indicare il luogo e la data di nascita del soggetto dell'indagine.

So, they have fogli matricolari for the towns referring to Naples and its province from 1870 to 1896 with many gaps. After that date the request must be sent to the Military District but I don't think you need that.
For a search you must give the exact birth date. Liste di Leva are from 1842 to 1930 with many gaps, here you must indicate place and date of birth of the person you search. I suggest you also give parents' names just to avoid homonimies.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

Thank you Ada. I have copies of the Liste di Leva as mentioned above for Giuseppe, Antonio and Alfonso. So, from what you are saying, I make my request via email to the Naples Archives. From past experience, they are very quick to respond. Will do that tonight.

Thank you again.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

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So, from what you are saying, I make my request via email to the Naples Archives.
This is what they affirm in their website but don't forget they said there are many gaps among those years.


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Thank you again.

You are welcome. Good luck!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

Well, sent the letter via email to the Naples Archives. Had a response this a.m. telling me I had to write to the Salerno Archives since Antonio was born there even though he registered in Castellammare di Stabia and was eventually drafted there. (They must work 7 days a week) By the time I replied the Archives had closed for the day.

I had already had a conversation with Salerno Archives wherein they forwarded a copy of the entire Liste di Leva from 1846 to 1880 for Roccapiemonte. (consisted of 13 pages). They had told me I needed to locate the province/military district the individuals were living in at time of draft registration and they would have any of their military records.

Didn't Riccardo mention that the Naples area would have their military stuff online a while back? Riccardo, where are you?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

As far as I know people are enlisted according to their residence. So I don't understand why in Naples they say you have to ask Salerno.
Military records are a huge amount of stuff for any province and I don't know if it can be found online. But miracles do happen so, have faith....
I will try and see if there is something on line.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

This is a link to one of the pages of the State Archive in Naples,

Archvio di Stato Napoli.

It doesn't seem to me you'll find lists with names but just directions on where to find files.

I got this page by writing the word "leva". I also searched for "distretto militare" but with the same result. If you want to try and search with other words, here is the search page

Cerca

you can just write a word where it says "Ricerca libera" and click "cerca" (bottom right).
Sorry but I couldn't find anything else. Hope Riccardo shows up and can help you.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Translation? Reply with quote

Oh well, that's okay. I sent an additional email to Naples with a copy of the liste di leva for all the brothers. I also sent a copy to the Salerno Archives. Anyone have the email/address for the military district for Castellammare di Stabia, Napoli. I think I should also send a note there with the request.

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