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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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The Francesco Gallo, related to my maternal family, was born in Favria (Torino) in 1867. He had an adventurous life as a soldier in Africa. He went then to Canada between 1890 and 1895 but I don't know if there are manifests. He lived in Canada for few years then went to somewhere in Illinois and after to Centerville or nearby. He paid a ticket for his brother Pietro (Peter) who reached him in US. Peter married Antonia Nicolazzi (daughter to Frank Nicolazzi and Maria Marchini) about 1900. They had three children: Joseph, Frances, Pete.
In 1904/1905 Peter died in a mine accident and Frank married Antonia. They had 4 children:
-Angelina who married Giovanni (John) Sacco.
-Josephine who married Giovanni's brother Attilio (aka Albert).
-Edith - don't know who she got married to.
- N. (he's still alive)
I saw some listings for this family on ancestry but I don't have images. I know that Antonia died around 1951 so Frank went to Illinois and lived with Josephine and Albert/Attilio. He might have died soon after.
1920 Iowas census for Frank, Antonia and kids
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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These next ones are all listed as coming from bozogno all on same manifest ship s.s. savoie
arrived jan 10 1904 from le havre left jan 2nd start line 8 through line 12
line 8 angelo nicolazzi going to nyc was here before in kansas city 1894 to 1903
brother pietro line 9 going to nyc here from 1894 to 1903
Angelo and Pietro were Francesco (Frank) Nicolazzi and Maria Marchini's sons.
line 10 vincenzo sacco going to nyc This is Giovanni, Attilio and Federico's father
line 11 giuseppe pastore going to nyc here from 1892 to 1897 kansas city Giuseppe Pastore, born in 1864, is also a relative, his mother was a Sacco and grandmothers were Guglielmetti and Nobile. In 1911, when his daughter got married, he sent his consent from Saint Louis, US. Don't know what happened to him.
line 12 luigi ferrari goig to nyc He's a relative. He came back as he got married in 1909
I saw this manifest. Although they declared they were going to NYC, I believe they were all going to Centerville or nearby.
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would you like the image for this manifest? I can easily download and post for you.
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Giuseppe Pastore, born in 1864, is also a relative, his mother was a Sacco and grandmothers were Guglielmetti and Nobile. In 1911, when his daughter got married, he sent his consent from Saint Louis, US. Don't know what happened to him.
Ada would this be the correct Giuseppe Pastore and family? 1910 census
If this is the correct Giuseppe I'll find the 1920 and 1930 census info for you.
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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I have LDS films for Bogogno's birth, death and marriage Acts. This is why I know people's birth dates and who they are. I must say that in this town they were all related as first cousins, or brothers in law, or sisters in law or second cousins and so on. They also had nicknames as many had same surnames and names and born in the same year.
Two years ago I found an obituary on line and could locate a descendant of Giovanni (John) Sacco (brother to Attilio and Federico) in California. We shared info on the family but his parents moved from Centerville to Illinois then to Wisconsin and to California. He's not in touch with other relatives so he only knows what his parents told him years ago.
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These next ones are all listed as coming from bozogno all on same manifest ship s.s. savoie
arrived jan 10 1904 from le havre left jan 2nd start line 8 through line 12
line 8 angelo nicolazzi going to nyc was here before in kansas city 1894 to 1903
brother pietro line 9 going to nyc here from 1894 to 1903
Angelo and Pietro were Francesco (Frank) Nicolazzi and Maria Marchini's sons.
line 10 vincenzo sacco going to nyc This is Giovanni, Attilio and Federico's father
line 11 giuseppe pastore going to nyc here from 1892 to 1897 kansas city Giuseppe Pastore, born in 1864, is also a relative, his mother was a Sacco and grandmothers were Guglielmetti and Nobile. In 1911, when his daughter got married, he sent his consent from Saint Louis, US. Don't know what happened to him.
line 12 luigi ferrari goig to nyc He's a relative. He came back as he got married in 1909
I saw this manifest. Although they declared they were going to NYC, I believe they were all going to Centerville or nearby.
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Ada was there was a filippo gallo?
Vincenzo Gallo s.s. alesia jan. 9 1899 left naples on (doesn't say) line 2
has town listed as Bogano or Bagrano final destination says Philadelphia passage paid by his brother he is going to his cousin and it says Ferdinando
line 3 is from same place name is Salvatore Frassetti 10yr old child going to Phil. to his brother Ferdinando
No, these Gallos are not my relatives.
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The Francesco Gallo, related to my maternal family, was born in Favria (Torino) in 1867. He had an adventurous life as a soldier in Africa. He went then to Canada between 1890 and 1895 but I don't know if there are manifests. He lived in Canada for few years then went to somewhere in Illinois and after to Centerville or nearby. He paid a ticket for his brother Pietro (Peter) who reached him in US. Peter married Antonia Nicolazzi (daughter to Frank Nicolazzi and Maria Marchini) about 1900. They had three children: Joseph, Frances, Pete.
In 1904/1905 Peter died in a mine accident and Frank married Antonia. They had 4 children:
-Angelina who married Giovanni (John) Sacco.
-Josephine who married Giovanni's brother Attilio (aka Albert).
-Edith - don't know who she got married to.
- N. (he's still alive)
I saw some listings for this family on ancestry but I don't have images. I know that Antonia died around 1951 so Frank went to Illinois and lived with Josephine and Albert/Attilio. He might have died soon after.
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This is another piece of family history. I'm cheking the rest of names
Thank you.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Billie, you are too kind! You are doing a great job for me, thank you. Don't worry so much. May the Carbonatis and Arrigoni left US and this might be the reason they disappeared. Another surname in Montague county was "Nobile". This is a very common surname too. Not all of them were related to my family as there were Nobiles in towns near Bogogno.
I think that Castellettas were very few so don't search for that surname. The Marchinis were mainly in Illinois. What's funny in these families is that they were moving more or less together and once you find one on a census you also find two or three of them next door. Just like the s/market: Take three and pay two.....
I still have to go through all records you and Biff posted. I will give details also about Gallos and Mascagnis. Must go to see my doctor now .
Thanks to you both.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Ada I've gone through all the Italians in Montague county and checked every one of them to see if there were any families that could possibly be Arrigoni (any and all variations) and nothing for the 1930 census. Nocona is in Montague county and nothing I checked all Carminati (any and all variations) and no Arrigoni by them in 1930. I haven't given up I'll keep checking.
One thing I did very early today, but will wait to post, is a list of all of the census from Texas that have your surnames. I don't want to overwhelm you until you've had a chance to look at everything posted in this thread. I'm just looking at your names again and somehow I missed Castelletta and Marchini. Can you tell me where they were (all states) in the USA?
Thanks
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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BillieDeKid wrote: |
Ada here is the 1920 census you're missing and the manifest for Rosa. She is traveling with her husband Giuseppe and lists the town they go back to as Nocone (Nocona) Texas. I'm searching for a census now.
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I hope their neighbours are Caterina (Catherine or Kate) and Zaccaria Arrigoni. I know that the Arrigonis were related to the Carminati family. Giuseppe went to US in 1907 and declared he was going to her aunt Carminati Cecilia (maiden name Vitali, sister to Giuseppe's mother). Arrigonis and Carminatis were from the province of Bergamo, East of Milan. May be if you get census for Carminatis there could be Arrigonis next door. Sometimes Arrigoni name was mispelled in Orrigoni or Origoni. Unfortunately it's a very common surname and many went to US.
Thanks a lot.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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uantiti wrote: |
Biff83 wrote: |
Emil Beretta and Teresa Nicolazzi
Federico Sacco's brother John on same pages.
Not only John but also Albert whose real name was Attilio. Listed as son but it's wrong it should be listed as brother. You can see on the second page that their father was Vance (Vincenzo) and mother Guglielmetti Mary/Sacco Mary.
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_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy.
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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uantiti wrote: |
Giovanni and Teresa Carbonati had two children in Osage City in 1895 and 1896. They moved to Montague, Texas and had other children there. One of them died, her tombstone is on Find a Grave (Eva Carbonati). The first born in Montague was Caterina (Nov 1898). They all came back to Italy around 1907.
Rosa left Italy and went back to Montague on ship "Regina d'Italia" arrived NY on May 16, 1914. She was reaching her fiancé Giuseppe Arrigoni. She was also "Held for special inquiry" (as lpc: likely to become a public charge).There is a 1920 census listing them in Montague together with Giuseppe's brother Jaccaria (real name was Zaccaria) but I don't have the image. Zaccaria went to Italy in 1920 and married Caterina. They both left Italy and went to Montague, arrived NY Dec 19, 1921 reaching brother Giuseppe. She declares she was born in Bogogno but it's wrong, she was born in Montague. From this moment they all disappeared. I only found listed on Ancestry a Rosa Carbonati Arrigoni arriving in Boston. I think it's her and wonder where she was going as I don't have the image. |
Ada here is the 1920 census you're missing and the manifest for Rosa. She is traveling with her husband Giuseppe and lists the town they go back to as Nocone (Nocona) Texas. I'm searching for a census now.
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Thank you for this Biff. I think Emil (Emilio) Beretta could have been from a town called Brusnengo which is about 20 miles from Bogogno. I saw many Berettas coming from Brusnengo. On a census he declared he arrived in US in 1890 and I think there should be a manifest on Castle Garden. May be he had some friends with him. Also I noticed he had often boarders or neighbourgs called Poverello (sometimes written Porello) Paul and Tony. This surname is for sure from Brusnengo so they might have been all from the same town. I will check if other Berettas leave a father called Giovanni in Italy.
Ada
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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BillieDeKid wrote: |
Angela Agazzone line 23 arrival dec. 1 1914 ship is verona going to husband Giuseppe Guglelmetti Centerville Iowa. Traveling with child (Gelsomina Guglielmetti) and 3 people also going to Iowa but to Rathburn Iowa. Maria Guglielmetti and children Attilio Sacco and Federico Sacco lines 20-22
Also dec. 1 1914 different manifest line 6 Angelo Agazzone (father paolo still in bogogna) ship is verona. Leaving genoa going to centerville iowa to brother in law luigi nicolozzi
maria agazzone line 22 left le havre apr 19, 1913 arrived apr 28 1913 (father paolo) going to her sister Maria Agazzone in centerville ship is s.s. rochambeau
on same manifest line 1 centerville iowa Rocco Sacco going to brother in law genesio Sacco
on same manifest line 3 centerville iowa Luigi Sacco going to cousin luigi nicolazzi
on same manifest line 4 centerville iowa Federico Sacco going to cousin antonio marchino (mystic iowa)
on same manifest line 8 centerville iowa Rocco Tasone going to cousin antonio ?????
same ship and dates different manifest
luigi sacco his wife caterina sacco is still in italy luigi is going to brother in law genasso sacco in diamond iowa
I had the above manifests and yes they are relatives. I have their records in Italy (births, marriages, parents, brothers, etc.) as I have LDS rolls for their town. That Federico Sacco travelling with one of his brothers (Attilio) and mother Maria Guglielmetti, is the one who became Fred and married Marie.
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Angelo sacco/nicolazzi arrived feb 26 1905 left le havre on feb. 18 1905 line 9 traveling with his mother on line8
maria sacco going to her husband and his father angelo nicolazzi in mendota iowa(also says cincinatti iowa??) the people above on lines 5, 6 and 7 are going to the same place also but says they are from Shurane?? their last name is Ugero and they are going to their daughter/sister maria ugero
also the person on line 10 last name vigotti from Shurane and going to friend carlo ugero.
Here I know Sacco and Nicolazzi but not those listed as Ugero in fact they are from another town. The clerck who wrote mispellled it very badly. According to that surname (Uggero), I believe the town is Ghemme, just a few miles from Bogogno. They knew each other for sure.
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Eusebio Beretta arrived mar. 13, 1905 left le havre line 9 ship is s.s. la touraine left havre march 4th 1905
going to his brother massimo beretta on 24th st.
also line 8 is from novaro name is giovanni benzio both going to NYC to his cousin Mario Battesta? on 27th st.
whats interesting on this manifest is that lines 1, 2 and 3 giovanni battistello, elisa maria battistello and niece
maria battistello are all going to centerville iowa to his son giovanni battistello in centerville iowa they are from Vicenza.
Francesca Bertone arrived feb 7 1898 left le havre jan. 29th line 4 going to w. hoboken nj going to join her son
but doesn't give his name says from novara ship was the s.s. la gossogne also on same manifest from novara are lines
5 through 9 are antonio mello, lavicca, emilia, ida and battistina all from novara going to w. hoboken nj antonio was
in the usa before in cyc??? or gyc??? and they are going to giuseppe ass??? or uss?? in ny
line 12 also from novaro antonio alsera not sure if it says he died on trip or not was here before from 1893-1897
These people are not my relatives .
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Rosa Carbonati arrived 1914 line 3 arrived may 15 1914 left genova 29th of apr. going to her ??? cant read it
Giuseppe Origoni can't read his address or town either think the state is Texas maybe Montague Texas (first page).
Second page says somewhere else in Texas for Giuseppe.
Rosa leaves her mother teresa in bogogno also says she had been here from 1892 to 1907.
Here is another mystery to solve. Rosa Carbonati, (daughter to Giovanni Carbonati and Teresa Castelletta) travelled with her mother, my maternal ggdfather Luigi Carbonati and Rosa Sacco (listed as R. Succo wife to Luigi Guglielmetti who was in US already) in 1893. Rosa and ggfather's surname was mispelled and written "Cirbonati". Lines 403, 404, 405, 406.
T. Castelletta and others
Giovanni and Teresa Carbonati had two children in Osage City in 1895 and 1896. They moved to Montague, Texas and had other children there. One of them died, her tombstone is on Find a Grave (Eva Carbonati). The first born in Montague was Caterina (Nov 1898). They all came back to Italy around 1907.
Rosa left Italy and went back to Montague on ship "Regina d'Italia" arrived NY on May 16, 1914. She was reaching her fiancé Giuseppe Arrigoni. She was also "Held for special inquiry" (as lpc: likely to become a public charge).There is a 1920 census listing them in Montague together with Giuseppe's brother Jaccaria (real name was Zaccaria) but I don't have the image. Zaccaria went to Italy in 1920 and married Caterina. They both left Italy and went to Montague, arrived NY Dec 19, 1921 reaching brother Giuseppe. She declares she was born in Bogogno but it's wrong, she was born in Montague. From this moment they all disappeared. I only found listed on Ancestry a Rosa Carbonati Arrigoni arriving in Boston. I think it's her and wonder where she was going as I don't have the image.
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Billie, this is a part of what you listed. I will post another part later on.
Thank you also for census and other images.
Biff, thank you for all what you posted, they are all concerning my relatives.
Ada
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Biff83 wrote: |
Here's the 1930 census for Federico Sacco and wife Marie. Based on the age at first marriage, they were married about 1927. Marie was born in Italy about 1909 and emigrated in 1913.
I searched the Cook County marriages for Saccos but nothing on Federico.
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All what I found in the past on Marie Sacco, besides her tombstone picture was her SSDI:
SACCO, MARIE
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1908 (Historical Events)
Death Date: May 1974 (Historical Events)
Issuing State: IL
Residence at Death: WINNETKA, COOK, IL 60093
SSN: 342-30-9740
I'm sure it's her as birth and death years match with what's written on the tombstone. Her tomstone just looks exactly like Fred's one
Marie
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Fred
I think she might be related to my family or one of the families that were in Appanoose county but without her maiden name I don't know who she was. They might have married in Centerville, Appanoose, Iowa.
Fred's brothers did. I know who his brothers married (other relatives) but I'll talk about that later otherwise it might became very confusing.
All those towns, such as Rathburn, Vermillion, Jerom, etc., are just few miles from Centerville. It looks they were moving according to jobs but staying in the area and as you can see all families used to move together. When you find a census for one you see other families next door.
Billie, I'm sure Fred died on 1990, I found his SSDI. I noticed that when you search on Intelius or other searching websites they give the age although they are dead.
I'll take a look at the rest now. I'll be back. Thank you.
Ada
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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OMG! You two must have spent a lot of time on ship manifests and Census! I had a busy weekend and didn't have time to open my PC but it seems you did a lot of work for me. Thank you very much.
Elisa, I had many of those manifests. Some of them don't seem to have connections with my family but I will go through them to see if they are related in some ways and let you know.
Biff, census give a lot of information. Thank you for having gone into more depth with Giuseppe Guglielmetti's life, he wasn't very lucky, was he? I will make comments on what you found but..........It's midnight and must go to bed. I'm realizing that I cannot think rationally.
I'll write tomorrow. Again thank you very much for spending so much time to search.
Ada
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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