x
Toggle Content Register or Login  -  September 24, 2017, 1:38 am
Toggle Content User Info
Toggle Content Main Menu
Toggle Content Last Posts
Last 10 Forum Messages

Bastianelli Sant Elia Fiumerapido or Altina
Last post by Italysearcher in Central Italy on Sep 23, 2017 at 18:29:38

Motta San Giovanni / Valanidi questions: please help!
Last post by liviomoreno in Southern Italy on Sep 23, 2017 at 05:52:40

Motta San Giovanni / Valanidi questions: please help!
Last post by liviomoreno in Where do I begin? on Sep 23, 2017 at 05:41:40

RESEACHING LUCIA NAPOLI DELIANOUVA
Last post by nuccia in Where do I begin? on Sep 22, 2017 at 06:13:48

Surname Serafini from Barga
Last post by Libby in Northern Italy on Sep 04, 2017 at 03:47:22

Sant'Elia Fiumerapido - De Filippis
Last post by Marchpatty in Central Italy on Aug 24, 2017 at 23:45:06

PUGLIESE OR VALEO
Last post by Biff83 in Central Italy on Aug 05, 2017 at 20:14:08

PUGLIESE OR VALEO
Last post by Biff83 in Southern Italy on Aug 05, 2017 at 20:13:41

PUGLIESE OR VALEO
Last post by Biff83 in Northern Italy on Aug 05, 2017 at 01:30:23

Ambrogio Bianchi
Last post by debbiemfit in Central Italy on Jul 31, 2017 at 17:49:19

Toggle Content Help Support this Site
Please support GentediMareGenealogy
Help us by supporting the future development of this site, or simply to say thank you.
Toggle Content EStore
Community Forums › All Things Italian › Translations › Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts

     Forum FAQ   Search   Log in to check your private messages   Login  
Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts
For help with translating documents or writing letters.
Go to page Previous  1, 2

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index Translations Printer Friendly Page

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
mahart
Mem
Mem


Joined: Oct 01, 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Liverpool UK

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts Reply with quote

Hey Nuccia,
It's been awhile how are you?

Mark

_________________
Researching Palombella family in Molfetta
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
uantiti
Explorer
Explorer


Joined: Nov 28, 2008
Posts: 356
Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts Reply with quote

This is an old "scarparo"
scarparo


Ada
Back to top
View user's profile
mahart
Mem
Mem


Joined: Oct 01, 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Liverpool UK

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts Reply with quote

Luca was right regarding 'Ciccio' Is name is actually Francesco, his wife is Pasqua de Candia and the son that follows is actually Lazaro. What does not make sense is Francesco's 'Ciccio' occupation. I can really zoom into it and it looks like 'impotundese le fugi??. Antonio 'Ant' is followed by notare, he does become a Scrivano so does that mean he was studying to be a Notaro at the tender age of 13 yrs?

Regards Mark

_________________
Researching Palombella family in Molfetta
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Luca
Translator
Translator


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 695
Location: Terni - Italy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts Reply with quote

That's ok for Lazzaro (it is written with only a "z" but it doesn't matter).
Pasqua is very hard to read! Maybe the filler wrote "Pasca" but it's a very odd way to write that name!
For the occupation, the only word i was able to imagine is "impotente" but just in this moment i had a "brainwave": it says "impotente per la regina" Wink (Carole, please translate!)
Antonio was (in my opinion) scolaro and not notaro.

Ciao
Luca
Back to top
View user's profile
Carole
Admin
Admin


Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 1662
Location: Valtellina - Near Lake Como

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts Reply with quote

Luca wrote:
That's ok for Lazzaro (it is written with only a "z" but it doesn't matter).
Pasqua is very hard to read! Maybe the filler wrote "Pasca" but it's a very odd way to write that name!
For the occupation, the only word i was able to imagine is "impotente" but just in this moment i had a "brainwave": it says "impotente per la regina" Wink (Carole, please translate!)
Antonio was (in my opinion) scolaro and not notaro.

Ciao
Luca


Not sure that I'll be of much use - but for what it's worth here's my 2 cents...

Pasqua / Pasca. Could either of these have 'originally' been PASQUALE?


Impotente could mean: ineffective, weak, sexually impotent
Therefore "impotente per la regina" might mean being any of these 'for the queen'!

Luca concludes that he thinks Antonio was a scholar and not a notary.


_________________

Researching: EDMED, SAVILL, TYSON, NEWCOMBE, STAPLETON, GUNTER, STAPLES
If you think education is expensive -try ignorance!

>Expats in Italy<
Come and join 'Dork and Friends'! >New Blog<
Back to top
View user's profile
Luca
Translator
Translator


Joined: Jan 22, 2008
Posts: 695
Location: Terni - Italy

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with translation of Catasto Onciario extracts Reply with quote

There is an italian proverb that says: "chi non è buono per il re, non è buono neanche per la regina". It means that a man declared unfit for military service in the common opinion is (or was) considered not "valid" for a woman too. But it is a "colloquial" expression and i don't think it was used in the censuses! Maybe it stands for unable to work, invalid or similar, but i can't give you a definitive answer.
For Carole: yes, Pasqua or Pasquina is the feminine version of the name Pasquale. My doubt was, instead, in the word written in the census: i'm not sure that Paolo's wife name is Pasqua; if yes, the compiler wrote it in a very bad way.

Ciao
Luca
Back to top
View user's profile
  Page 2 of 2All times are GMT - 4 Hours

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index Translations Printer Friendly Page

  
 
Jump to:  



You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Hosted By Site5.com
The logos and trademarks used on this site are the property of Gente di Mare Genealogy.
We are not responsible for comments posted by our users, as they are the opinions of the poster.
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy
TCD_ItalianGene © Gente di Mare Genealogy